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Man dies during arrest at Stoneridge Mall

Original post made on Mar 30, 2008

Pleasanton police are investigating the death of a 32-year-old male Fresno resident who became unresponsive during a shoplifting arrest. The man, who has not been identified yet, had been stopped by mall security after he allegedly attempted to steal a hat worth $25 from Macy's around 8:30 Thursday night.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, March 28, 2008, 2:54 PM

Comments (36)

Posted by Lisa, a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Mar 30, 2008 at 7:14 am

Karma....


Posted by compassion, a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Mar 30, 2008 at 9:15 am



For a $25 hat????

I would be worried about your own Karma if I was you Lisa.



Posted by jj, a resident of Stoneridge
on Mar 30, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Agree with Lisa...thieves suck. (portion of comment removed by Pleasatnon Weekly staff)


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 30, 2008 at 9:45 pm

(comment removed by Pleasanton Weekly staff)


Posted by Noneofurbusiness, a resident of another community
on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:30 pm

No security officer made a comment...I know this for a fact...where do these people get their info from?


Posted by jen, a resident of another community
on Apr 1, 2008 at 10:22 am

I knew this man personally and can say that he was known to be honest, hard-working and not the kind of guy you are all wrongfully assuming him to be.....I have no idea how this all could have happened all I can think of is that he probably didn't think to set the hat down because he was suffering a heart attack! Please think about your statements before posting, he does have small children who now have no daddy and to see his life end this way is tragic and unbelievable. Don't let his family suffer more than necessary at the hands of strangers whose disrespect is uncalled for at this time. The man I knew would never steal anything, so let the detectives do their job and stop these hurtful statements for the sake of his surviving family. There is always more than meets the eye in most situations, and there is ALWAYS room for improvement in regard to reporters and their flashy headlines...not for a second do they consider the harm done to others with words alone, words that children might read only to suffer deeper unjust sorrow. Don't you people have anything better to do than comment on the death of MY FRIEND? SHAME ON YOU. what if this happened to you? would you put a hat down before exiting a store if you were under cardiac arrest? you had better hope so!!!!If any of his family happen to read this, I am so sorry for all the comments stangers have made about your loved one. I wish I could make it all go away for you. I wish I could bring him back for his little children. They will miss him more than you will ever know. Any more strangers care to attack me now? At least I can respond as I am still ALIVE to defend myself. Does innocent until proven guilty mean anything to anyone? Can you arrest a dead man for petty theft and put him on trial? Can we refocus on the fact that somebody died and happened to be holding a hat while dying? do you think you will die in a more graceful manner? Now you had better hope so because if you do not, strangers will attack your soul and leave your loved ones with feelings of despair to last a lifetime. Leave him alone, let his family grieve. Stop making assumptions based upon nonfactual allegations. Don't even think for one minute that he was a bad guy, he was a great dad and worked every day and does not deserve to end his life with all your stupid comments. I hope he can come back to haunt all you rude and careless people. I hope his kids never ever read any of these negative news reports labeling him a thief. This is very upsetting and tragic, let's leave it at that for now.


Posted by compassion, a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Apr 1, 2008 at 2:30 pm


Jen,
I am sorry for your loss
My prayers are with the family.


Posted by OMG..., a resident of another community
on Apr 1, 2008 at 2:55 pm

This guy weighed 400 lbs?

Different reports can be read at this Web Link and also at this Web Link.


Posted by chris, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 1, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Jen, sorry for your loss...well said and I imagine you were very upset while writing this....we don't know the circumstances, just that a human being, father, friend, someone that meant something to someone else has passed away.....Regardless of a hat or not, he was a human being and obviously VERY loved, god bless to you and your family.....


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 1, 2008 at 7:30 pm

I can believe that he stole the hat. People steal from stores daily. He just happened to get busted and drop. I don't feel sorry for thieves. Get over it!


Posted by Just Wondering, a resident of another community
on Apr 1, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Large man drops dead allegedly stealing hat from store, so alleged by security personnel who were there and involved in the incident during which man dies.

Man lives in Fresno.

Jen, from another community, blogs that he was in cardiac arrest and not stealing the hat.

Jen writes long post admonishing everyone else for expressing their opinions and tries to shame them.

Jen is his good friend based upon her own words.

Is Jen from Fresno blogging on this web site, or is Jen someone related to the reason large man was in this area?

Lastly, when one goes into cardiac arrest does not one just drop to the floor and become unconscious? How can this be confused with stealing a hat?


Posted by Friend In Fresno, a resident of another community
on Apr 4, 2008 at 11:01 am

Okay, I'll post this in hopes that I can offer some unbiased input regarding Alex's death.

First, Alex was a very nice guy. I knew him and went to church with him. He was working in construction at that time and was excited about the birth of his first son. Alex also was managing a large home near downtown Fresno with several renters.

Alex struggled with things in life as many of us do, he made some bad decisions here and there-- again like most of us-- but overall, he was decent guy who would try to make things right if they weren't. He also knew that he would face consequences of his actions and once admitted to me that his past would catch up to him someday.

My favorite memory of Alex was at a church outreach where he sat with total strangers explaining (in his own way) the Gospel message.

Anyhow, there are many ways to approach the reasons behind his death. But I think mostly it goes without saying that there are people who will mourn his passing, people who will be frustrated that he died young doing something so stupid and our response to this shows what kind of people we are more than who Alex was.


Posted by Sue, a resident of California Reflections
on Apr 4, 2008 at 12:29 pm


Thanks for the insight.
I believe Alex was a good man and he deserves to be remembered that way.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 4, 2008 at 6:40 pm

I guess big Alex won't be stealing any more hats.

Friend in Fresno: grow up and cut the sniping. Your friend was a thief.

I would have given him 30 years to life in prison...no mercy!




Posted by John, a resident of Hacienda Gardens
on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:12 pm

I appreciated hearing some good thoughts and background story about this human being who died during this event. Clearly the whole story isn't being published (yet), and most of what is being said is pure speculation, so having some input from those who knew him gives some insight for now. Why would someone call this "sniping"? The definitions of "sniping" are:

intr.v. sniped, snip·ing, snipes
1. To shoot at individuals from a concealed place.
2. To shoot snipe.
3. To make malicious, underhand remarks or attacks.

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To me, there was no "sniping" by the friends, only good thoughts of someone now gone. If there was any sniping (malicious, underhand remarks or attacks), it was the last comment before this one.


Posted by The Big Guy's Neighbor, a resident of another community
on Apr 4, 2008 at 9:01 pm

Don't you people understand death!If it were someone you knew that died, you could care less about a $25 hat.You would be shocked that a 32 year old friend of yours is no longer on this earth!
Alex's death has made me appreciate my loved ones even more. He touched many peoples lives and will be missed.

My favorite Alex memory is when he called a local radio station and guessed the right answer to win a contest. He got to announce on the air,"I am the smartest man in Fresno, California!"


Posted by OMG..., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 5, 2008 at 5:22 am

Posted by The Big Guy's Neighbor, a resident of another community
He got to announce on the air,"I am the smartest man in Fresno, California!"
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"but I got caught stealing a $25.00 hat in Pleasanton" would have never made air time.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 5, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Go cry your eyes out someplace else! It's not cool to steal...get it?
In my opinion, more merchandise is stolen than is paid for...grow up you stupid thieves. NO MERCY HERE! GET LOST!!!


Posted by The Big Guy's Neighbor, a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Hey Cholo, Are you dead or alive?...Brain dead! You're insulting a dead man as if the hat was yours.I thought it was owned by Macy's.
The police report wasn't quite accurate.The mall security got Alex down to the ground easily because he was intoxicated. They handcuffed him and then noticed he wasn't moving.Security rolled him over and he was already dead. Get it right people


Posted by former Fresnan, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 5, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Wow, I love reading the posts from the Fresno people. I lived in Fresno for many years and the mentality there is blame everyone else. Needless to say, I couldn't wait to move out of the modern Appalacia known as the Central Valley. Thank goodness most of the people there can't afford to live here. May the deceased rest in peace, may his fellow Fresnans stop defending his actions.


Posted by Unknown, a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Big Guy's Neighber...

No offense, but your statement is not correct either.

To all who have replied: I cannot wait for the investigation to be over so I can tell the correct story. Whether anyone wants to beleive me or not, I was there with Alex. I cannot say who I am, but I can assure you that everything was done to attempt to save Alex.

The big question that I keep seeing thrown around is "Did he need to die for a $25 hat?".

That question is very biased. I dont think that anyone deserves to die, but at the same time, stealing is wrong, no matter if it costs a dollar or a thousand dollars.

The point is, someone died over a petty issue. No wrongdoing occurred. I telling myself that whether a person is scum, or polite, a theif or a saint, someone still died.

I dont fault anyone for this, it is just very, very unfortunate that the end result turned out this way.


Posted by Disgusted, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Ok, folks. Let's get real here.

Terrible tragedy for some regarding how this guy died and the fact that he died. But every day, a scenario like the following happens and no one here really seems to give a squat-sh...

Location: a village in Iraq. Insurgents who believe in their cause fire RPG's and automatic weapons at our troops on patrol. The fire comes from hidden positions in residential buildings. A family with many children hide in their house, innocent bystanders. Apache gunship fires many bursts from its Gatlin and multiple rounds of rockets into the building, approval to fire given by command looking down on the battle scene from cameras in aircraft flying over the battle, and who make the mistake about innocent civilians actually occupying the buildings. Result: family killed.

Who mourns them?

I know my post may appear off-topic but it's hard to read this stuff here without comparing the situation to events that deserve our sympathy much more.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm

One thing for sure, nobody gets out of life alive! Mr. Fresno, why don't you go find yourself a tumbleweed and cry your eyes out. When folks steal from department stores, prices go up for shopper's that don't steal. If you were my neighbor, I'd have you raking my yard, pruning trees and making yourself useful! Tee hee hee, tee hee hee!
You crybaby...


Posted by Shelley, a resident of Downtown
on Apr 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Disgusted,
Thanks for putting things into perspective, which most people in the U.S. become comfortable in not having to do. I don't think your post is off topic at all. Reading people's reactions and opinions to things on this forum disgust me too for the same reasons. I wish people would start putting things into perspective more.


Posted by Unknown, a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2008 at 10:15 pm

I agree with you Disgusted. The crap going on over there is horrifying to hear. But...I dont think its fair to say that some deserve more sympathy than others. It should be equal, dont you think?

I dont know, just my thoughts. Every death should be mourned whether it was justified, accident or otherwise.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 6, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Are you going to mourn equally for ted bundy? Be my guest...


Posted by Cindy, a resident of California Reflections
on Apr 6, 2008 at 12:50 pm


This man Alex is in no way comparitive to Ted Bundy.

To anyone outside our community please don't judge us by Cholo.

Cholo is a Troll, we should not feed the Troll.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 6, 2008 at 3:47 pm

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Posted by Ray, a resident of another community
on Apr 6, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Alex was my friend, he made mistakes like all off us do.he was a good person with a good heart, he really cared about pepole,i know because i knew him,yes he may have stole a hat.did that define who he was.have you never stole, for those who judge him so harshly my the LORD judge you the same.


Posted by Cindy : '), a resident of California Reflections
on Apr 6, 2008 at 6:29 pm

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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 6, 2008 at 10:06 pm

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Posted by chris, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 8, 2008 at 8:40 am

O.k. Jeb once again time to shut down these cold, uncaring and immature individuals on this topic...especially Cholo who only blogs on here to upset people.


Posted by chassolo, a resident of Canyon Creek
on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:27 am

i think cholo should get ready for a nice spot in the lake of fire. he certainly belongs there. acting high and mighty might work fine in your mind, but your not. in everyones mind here, you should go back where you came and don't bother being here. how are you a right wing immigrant? makes no sense. i think your anger is partially on your confusion of yourself. inter-termoil is always a bit*h. sucks to be you cholo.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm

CA laws exist for a reason. Citizens frequently complain about immigrants not respecting CA laws. How come so many Ptonians complain when I respect the letter of the law?

I do not understand the reference to "the lake of fire"? I recently offered to accept a one way ticket to Donostia but the collection to purchase my first class ticket on Air France failed to materialize?

As for Dr. Freud's suggestion that I "go back where you came", and comment about "inter-termoil", my response can only be tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

I stand by my position, it's illegal to steal and morally bankrupt.

What do you mean by "right wing immigrant"?

Can somebody please explain to me why it's so cool to steal?













Posted by Unknown, a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Cholo,
You dont seem to get that people are not defending the fact that he stole, they are defending his dignity. And yes, before you even say or ask, even people who make mistakes and die for them should be granted their dignity.


Posted by Jeb Bing, editor of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Apr 9, 2008 at 2:39 am

Jeb Bing is a registered user.

These posts have run their course. Thanks for your comments.


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