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What do you think about this tiger incident?

Original post made by Mitch on Dec 27, 2007

Wow - I don't know who to feel sorry for at this point. This poor tiger at the SF zoo sounds like he was being taunted.

I can't help but feel sorry for Tatiana the tiger. After watching the news last night, the parents of the deceased boy were actually talking to reporters and actually smiling and laughing while commenting. Although I'm sure they're saddened by the loss of their son, they didn't even know where he was and didn't even know he was killed until the police contacted them. I can't help but think all they can think about right now is lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit and how much money they can potentially get from this case.

I'll be following this case closely. I'm in support of the zoo. Jack Hana was on KCBS this morning (former director of the Columbus zoo) and the anger in his voice about what has happened made it clearly apparent that this poor tiger had to be severely agitated in order for something like this to happen.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Comments (30)

Posted by Animist, a resident of California Reflections
on Dec 27, 2007 at 11:34 am

Mr. Charles Darwin sends Mr. Carlos Souza his condolences.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Country Fair
on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:05 pm

I'm tired of hearing the victim's family criticize the zoo. There are numerous reports that these idiots taunted the tiger and climbed into the enclosure, provoking the attack. Looks like Darwinism prevailed in this one. I'm sure the families will sue for millions. I hope they get nothing.


Posted by Jessica, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Bring back the Colosseum.


Posted by Observation, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:20 pm

Confiscate the boys cellphones and the activities leading up to the attack will undoubtedly be recorded... Tatiana was not hungry, she was pissed off.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:27 pm

I guess the teens were "bored" so they hopped on BART and visited SF for some culture.

I'm so sad that the cat will killed. Why not just do away with the zoo and place the rest of the animals in a sanctuary?

TIGERS RULE!


Posted by Pboi, a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:57 pm

Serves all them right for provoking the attack. The two survivors should be fed to the remaining 3 tigers at the zoo. Animals should be respected when kept in captivity.

GO TIGER!!!


Posted by Disgusted, a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm

All of these comments are very disturbing. Let's not forget that a family has lost a loved one and a tiger has been put down. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and too the staff at the SF Zoo.


Posted by Mitch, a resident of Danbury Park
on Dec 27, 2007 at 1:34 pm

Those parents didn't even know where their son was on Christmas Day. All they're probably thinking about is how much money they're going to get in the settlement.

Rest in peace, Tatiana.


Posted by member, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 27, 2007 at 2:07 pm

Wow! I can't believe the number of heartless, ignorant comments. Just another reason why Pleasanton has a reputation for being such a self-centered, culturally devoid, and 'unrealistic' place to live. How quick we are to judge when we live in an environment where everyone's seemingly 'happy' family gets together in their million plus dollar homes to celebrate the holidays. You people know nothing about how these boys' families are feeling and what they are thinking about after this event. Let the SFPD do their job and all the facts will come out. In the end, it will most likely end up being an unfortunate 'accident'.


Posted by Mitch, a resident of Danbury Park
on Dec 27, 2007 at 2:14 pm

Member - there is nothing "accidental" about this. You are correct... we shouldn't "assume" anything until the facts are out. But after watching the mother and father on the news last night it was painful to watch -- they showed no emotion and quite frankly, it was clearly obvious they are ready to sue and sue for a lot (the father has actually mentioned something on TV.... I don't make up interviews). Talk about "quick to judge!" I can only pray that those two boys who survived have the ability to tell the truth about what really happened. Unfortunately if they don't then we'll just have more angry posts (and I'm the first to admit that I'm angry....) Tigers are not made to be held captive... and if someone is taunting them they are going to attack.


Posted by Anthony, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 27, 2007 at 2:34 pm

News articles report the boys were on the SFZoo premises after it was closed... Logically, there is more to the story than just a tiger going beserk and randomly attacking.


Posted by Tiger lover, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 27, 2007 at 3:30 pm

I would just like to comment on the post that says "a family has lost a loved one and a tiger has been put down". That tiger was not put down, it was shot and killed. when you put an animal down it is by injection and is peaceful when they pass. Where were the tranquilizer guns is what I want to know. There should always be a tranquilizer gun readily available at a place where WILD animals are kept in captivity. Tatiana's life could have been saved. It was not her fault that these 'kids' decided to torment her. It is in her nature to be aggressive. It is not Tatiana's fault.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 27, 2007 at 3:39 pm

Now now mes petites.....lets not jump to conclusions...Tatiana should have been kept alive...Tatiana was not a wimp as Carlos now knows.

Lets move on to something more meaningful than mean spirited teens.
They should have just hopped on BART and visited Oakland!


Posted by Tiger Woman, a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2007 at 8:31 pm

I feel for Tatiana and yes I think there is a whole lot more to this story...and the parents with you on the smelling big dollars and a life of leisure..the kid was not even living at home.

Tatiana was obviously poed and the cell phones will be telling as will if the tiger climbed up the dead ones leg.

Poor Tatiana but at last she is free...f with a tiger and expect to be mauled...

Run free...

Beautiful Tigeress Tatiana


Posted by PETA, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 28, 2007 at 9:18 am

Tatiana is free.

What about Ariel...


Posted by jj, a resident of Apperson Ridge
on Dec 28, 2007 at 9:35 am

These idiots taunted the cat and one got killed, so boo-hoo, cry us a river.
So the wall was shorter than experts recommend; the independent zoo certification "experts" inspected that zoo and never said anything about it. The zoo did its due diligence by having the inspections- they weren't negligent.

And as further proof that this tiger was provoked, just look at the facts; in 67 years of having tigers in that enclosure, not once has a tiger even attempted to attack a patron, let alone succeeded in getting out. She was taunted, no doubt about it. The "survivors" (its so unfortunate they lived), should be charged with the appropriate crimes (mischief, manslaughter, animal abuse, etc).

The human population gets dumber every day, thanks to all the stupid people reproducing with each other. Its bad enough, but they contributed to the death of a truly rare animal.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 28, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Free Ariel! Or, risk being reelected!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 28, 2007 at 4:08 pm

Does anybody know if the boys had been drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana? I understand that the 2 surviving brothers have a history being arrested for public drunkeness and for smoking pot.

Carlos was most like Brazilian and the other two East Indian.....not Mexican!

The SF Zoo is a torture chamber. Don't forget, Tinkerbelle and Calle, 2 elephants, died because the Zoo failed to provide the proper substrate for them to walk upon. They died from severed infections to the feet.
CLOSE THE ZOO AND TRANSFER ALL ANIMALS TO SANCTUARIES! Recall the mayor and free Ariel!


Posted by Cosmic Charlie, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 29, 2007 at 6:11 am

It's too bad those people were hurt, but I don't have much sympathy for them if they were in the zoo facility after hours and not supervised. But then again we can't account for all the idiots in the world nor can we protect them from themselves. Darwin was right!


Posted by Jane, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Dec 29, 2007 at 3:20 pm

As a Zoo Member and supporter for the last 25 years, I ask how many of those who have posted comments above are spouting activists who jump on any bandwagon they can, or who of them actually take a portion of their annual paychecks to donate and support our Zoos to actually make a difference?

12/27/2007
San Francisco Zoo Update
Web Link

"The director of the SF Zoo admits the wall around the tigers' den was too low:

"The director of the zoo where a teenager was killed by an escaped Siberian tiger acknowledged today that the wall around the animal's enclosure was 12 1/2 feet — well below the height recommended by the main accrediting agency for the nation's zoos. According to the Association of Zoos & Aquariums, the minimum recommended height for tiger exhibit walls is 16.4 feet.

On Wednesday, Mollinedo said that the wall was 18 feet high, and that the moat around the tiger's pen was 20 feet wide. Today, Mollinedo said the moat was 33 feet wide.

It's hard to understand how the Zoo director could claim a 12-1/2 foot wall was 18 feet tall. That's a significant difference. Coming on the heels of the zookeeper's injuries last year that were held to be the Zoo's fault, this is a serious blemish on the Zoo's management. (Not to mention fodder for a big lawsuit.)"

All-
Unfortunately, it is the S.F. Zoos issue to get visitors removed from the park once it closes. If you were a regular zoo visitor, you would clearly see with your OWN EYES that it is NOT AT ALL UNCOMMON for many visitors trying to make the very long trek back from exhibits to the exit gates in time before the zoo has closed. The Zoo is totally responsible. It doesn't matter whether the kids were teasing or taunting the tiger or under the influence and to see it any differently is not realistic as NO ONE can expect everyone who is admitted entrance into the zoo to have the same standards or morals as we all do as the Zoo gives no breathalizers nor do they search for narcotics upon entrance. It's also not a fact the kids climbed into the enclosure as everyone knows the Zoo never installed security cameras EVEN AFTER a zoo keeper was attacked by the same tiger last year! It's the Zoos responsibility to keep and maintain a safe atmosphere for everyone. As a member, I am concerned Zoo Director Manuel A. Mollinedo has contradicted himself several times. He's back peddling and squirming in his shoes right now as it's his job to learn and keep the correct standards that are recommended by the Association of Zoos & Aquariums (the main accrediting agency for the nation's zoos).

Sadly, so far the only comment besides my post that has any facts or humanity in it is: "All of these comments are very disturbing. Let's not forget that a family has lost a loved one and a tiger has been put down. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and too the staff at the SF Zoo.
Posted by Disgusted, a resident of another community, on Dec 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm".








Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 29, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Hi Jane...congrats on your membership! So, where were you when Tinkerbelle & Calle were dying and Zoo membership ignored their cries for sanctuary? They died because you supported an incompetent Zoo administration that knowingly forced the 2 elephants live out their lives on concrete. It's pathetic that you're so desperate for attention while others mourn the death of Tatiana!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 29, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Hi Jane...congrats on your membership! So, where were you when Tinkerbelle & Calle were dying and Zoo membership ignored their cries for sanctuary? They died because you supported an incompetent Zoo administration that knowingly forced the 2 elephants live out their lives on concrete. It's pathetic that you're so desperate for attention while others mourn the death of Tatiana!


Posted by Ramona, a resident of Civic Square
on Dec 29, 2007 at 10:49 pm

I actually saw Tatiana when she was a young tiger in the Denver Zoo. I can't help but feel sorry for her... the real monsters were the 3 young men who provoked her to attack. These men were in trouble with the law & I sense were mean to Tatiana. The tiger was only acting out of self preservation & specifically directed her attacks against these 3 human monsters. Shame on them, they caused this tragedy for themselves and this tiger!!!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Country Fair
on Dec 30, 2007 at 12:07 pm

Speaking of desperate for attention, why does "Cholo" feel compelled to spout off on virtually every topic with numerous remarks.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 30, 2007 at 5:51 pm

It's time to fire Manuel Mollinedo of the SF Zoo! Other wild animals have suffered and died on his watch.

The lives of animals are equally important as the lives of humans. I am not grateful nor am I impressed that Jane has donated two bits to help maintain the present wild animal concentration camp that is the SF Zoo.

As for Pat, have some warm milk and sleep it off!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Country Fair
on Dec 31, 2007 at 10:10 am

Cholo,
I agree with you about the tiger. I just don't understand why you post so many comments on Town Square when you don't even live in Pleasanton.


Posted by Not A Member, a resident of another community
on Dec 31, 2007 at 11:24 am

I wonder whether the cruel comments regarding the families would be posted if the deceased and the attacked had blond hair, blue eyes, and a more Pleasanton-like surname.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 31, 2007 at 12:33 pm

I appreciate posting. I also post on Iowa blogs because of my interest in politics. I don't live their either!

Not A Member: Keep on wondering! Can you prove that the deceased didn't have blond hair and blue eyes? I care more about the tiger than the deceased or the 2 pathetic survivors and their families. As for Mollinedo the cucaracha, he needs to be held accountable for gross negligence. He not only could have prevented the death of Carlos but more importantly, the death of Tatiana.

As for your mayor, she runs the risk of being reelected if she doesn't free Ariel...


Posted by Marvin, a resident of Valley Trails
on Dec 31, 2007 at 12:57 pm

"Not a Member": That is a very racist statement to make. Did it ever occur to you that people have no sympathy for these folks because they are idiots who brought this on themselves?

Believe it or not, not every slight is based on race, gender, age, etc. BTW, it's "blonde" hair not "blond". Talk to the two brothers neighbors (or the DA who has a case pending against them) to see what type of upstanding citizens these guys are. People feel sorry for the Tiger because she was taunted against her will, while the young men chose to engage what they thought was a defenseless animal.

What is a "Pleasanton like" sur-name? Who is the racist here? Glass houses.


Posted by Gina Channell-Allen, president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Dec 31, 2007 at 1:00 pm

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

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