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UC Regents approve a 9.6 percent tuition hike

Second tuition increase for UC students in past 8 months

A 9.6 percent tuition increase for University of California schools was approved today by a 14-4 vote of the UC Regents Board.

Despite passionate reservations from several board members, the finance committee approved the tuition hike, an attempt to close $650 million in state funding cuts in the new state budget.

The hike is the second tuition increase for UC students in the past eight months -- an eight percent increase was already added in November.

The tuition increase will only affect about 55 percent of current students, according to UC officials, because of financial aid options given

to students whose family income is less than $80,000 per year.

The new fees will cover 26 percent of a $1 billion budget shortfall the UC system faces next year. The remaining funds will be made up through cuts to campus services and increased enrollment of out-of-state and international students, who pay higher tuition than California residents.

Under the new tuition rates, and including all required fees, California resident undergraduate students will pay $13,218 per year and out-of-state students will pay $36,096.

Graduate students in academic programs will pay slightly less, but their tuition will still be raised by 9.6 percent, to $12,824 for Californians and $27,926 for non-residents. Graduate students in professional programs, such as law and business, pay different tuition.

UC Berkeley Chancellor Robert J. Birgeneau outlined Berkeley's strategy of increasing out-of-state and international enrollment to generate revenue. California residents receive a large tuition break, so increasing out-of-state enrollment generates significantly more funding.

Birgeneau said UC Berkeley has kept California resident enrollment consistent over the last several years while increasing non-resident enrollment. He said that the extra revenue has allowed Berkeley to provide more services for all students.

Despite the advantages of increasing out-of-state enrollment, several board members worried that if the cuts continue, the university would be forced to turn more and more California residents away in favor of students that pay higher tuition.

There were also concerns that the increased fees would be a disincentive to attracting the most talented graduate students.

Mollie Epstein, a student at UC Berkeley, addressed her concerns during public comments that talented students would not come to UC schools because of the rising costs. "The California school system will lose the best and brightest to schools with better financial aid packages," she said.

Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, an ex officio board member, addressed the board and encouraged them to vote against the fee increase. He said the Legislature would not grant more funding as long as the university accepted the cuts.

"We've become a foregone conclusion here," Newsom said. "Ten years in a row, we've done exactly what the Legislature thought we were going to do. We're going to continue to get them out of hot water. We've become predictable."

Regent Norman Pattiz reacted angrily to Newsom's suggestion. "We don't have the luxury to say 'let's send a message to Congress, or the state government,'" Pattiz said.

"I'm going to vote for this, and I'm going to hate every minute of it, because tomorrow, we've still got to have the University of California," he said.

Regent Bonnie Reiss said that the cuts threatened the quality of the UC system, and risked turning it into a "second rate" institution. "If Governor Brown and our legislators continue on this path of always putting us on the chopping block, they are risking a legacy of presiding over the demise of higher education in our state," she said.

But she said she would not support future cuts and fee increases because she believes "they are in grave danger of becoming second-rate," she said. "I hope but doubt the governor and the Legislature have the courage to take responsibility for these tuition increases."

Student protesters gathered outside the meeting dressed in costume, and several students addressed the board before the vote to voice their objections.

Joseph Silva, a student at UCLA who addressed the board dressed as Captain America, said he thinks the California government is prioritizing corporations over higher education. "An investment in our higher education will have greater returns than tax breaks for corporations by far," he said.

Julia Gettle, a student at UC Berkeley who spent the summer working for the state government in Sacramento, said the board should confront the state legislature more directly. "We need to stop playing nice and tell them that these continued cuts are unfair and we can't take this anymore," she said.

Andrew Albright, a student at UC Berkeley, said the fee increase could end his plans to pursue a double major. "As the UC Regents you should have a vested interest in supporting a strong and competitive work force, but the policies you pursue do just the opposite," he said.

The increases to the UC system come just days after California State University raised its tuition by 12 percent. Both institutions have had their state funding cut by $650 million each, and both are bracing for another potential cut of $100 million later this year.

— Bay City News Service

Comments

Posted by Can't Believe This, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jul 19, 2011 at 9:59 pm

If you want to add further fuel to the fire, and get really angry about this increase, read this link about the ever-growing diversity bureaucracy at the UC system. Who can hold this folks accountable?

Web Link


Posted by proud alum, a resident of California Reflections
on Jul 19, 2011 at 10:30 pm

It's a crying shame that racist attitudes and practices remain as prevalent as they do in our society. And unfortunately, too, there aren't many institutions that are going to address the problem, unless they have to; for why do that when the bottom line is profit for the institution?

So the greatest public university system in the world devotes money and energy to addressing the problem. To think, teaching courses in diversity and self-identity when we all know colleges should have done away with history and philosophy and literature long ago and put in their place more accounting courses. Because our universities should be organized to reflect the business world, right? We need more bookkeepers and MBAs, not more artsy-fartsy intellectuals.


Posted by ivan, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm

"Who can hold this folks accountable?"

Hopefully it will be someone who can spell.


Posted by Price to be paid, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2011 at 8:30 am

Isn't this the price to be paid to protect the middleclass government workers at CA's universities? At least this is what union leadership keep telling us.

Hopefully not too many people will notice that middleclass government employees are stealing from other middleclass families to maintain and grow their salaries and benefits.


Posted by Rose, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2011 at 10:22 am

"So the greatest public university system in the world devotes money and energy to addressing the problem." (proud alum)

HAHAHAHAHAHA...seriously delusional!


Posted by Proud Alum, a resident of California Reflections
on Jul 20, 2011 at 11:05 am

Sure enough, Rose. Tell me of a better public university system in the world. Please. How about the University of North Dakota system? Or the University of Idaho? Tennessee? Texas? Who's the delusional one?

My hunch is that you've never been to a university, except maybe to attend a day-long get-rich-quick seminar. How'd that go for ya?


Posted by Bill, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm

When manufacturing ruled the world, remember the executive in the corner office who nobody knew or knew what he did? He was the guy that was always at the marketing and sales parties but did not work for either. He was always driving a fancy car and would be first on the list for the company golf tournament. He knew the "in" people and the "in" people would remind the employees that this guy was eminently qualified because he has a PhD. But what he ever did to make a buck for the company remained a mystery

Manufacturing has finally figured out that you do not need these people. So they have migrated to government, health care , and education where limitless budgets still are accessible.


Posted by Painful Fasciatis, a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jul 20, 2011 at 1:44 pm

The mythicial guy in Bill's painfully pinched worldview, claiming to have a Ph.D. probably didn't have one but lied about it -- a lie that has been favored by many who post here. Ph.D.'s who spend 8-10 years in graduate school, postponing family and work earnings over that time period, usually are in the game not for a cush job at some mythical manufacturing plant but rather in order to help others by way of teaching or research. Clearly these are concepts unfamiliar to Bill: teaching, research, education, helping others.

Bill's ideal life? Probably to be able to lie about having a Ph.D. in order to fill some cush job somewhere where he can accumulate ill-gained earnings and buy buy buy things for himself and himself alone. A rather sad worldview, a rather sad life, for Bill.


Posted by Rose, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2011 at 4:43 pm

I rest my case...how proud the UC system must be of you!

"Posted by Proud Alum, a resident of the California Reflections neighborhood, 5 hours ago

Sure enough, Rose. Tell me of a better public university system in the world. Please. How about the University of North Dakota system? Or the University of Idaho? Tennessee? Texas? Who's the delusional one?
My hunch is that you've never been to a university, except maybe to attend a day-long get-rich-quick seminar. How'd that go for ya? "


Posted by Proud Alum, a resident of California Reflections
on Jul 20, 2011 at 4:50 pm

So, Rose, I gather you weren't able to think of a better public university system than that of UC. Do you know what a university is? It is where people go to advance their knowledge, understanding and sensibilities after GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL.


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Proud Alum - I don't get what you are trying to get at here. Are you saying that since CA's university systems is one of the best in the world, it is OK for them to continue to push through price increases year after year that are much greater than inflation?

And if you are going to defend this by saying this is what it takes to retain talent, please do note that the explosion of education costs is directly related the the explotion of education debt. We are enslaving our kids with debt even before they reach the workforce to support ever increasing salaries and retirement benefits they will never see.

Does this make sense to you? If so, I'd love to hear your thoughts and justification.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 20, 2011 at 5:56 pm

somebody has got to pay for the way the regent's are making out!!!


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2011 at 11:34 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Notice that it only affects 55% of current students. I don't think it's fair that only slightly more than half of us have to bear this burden. Since when is 80k/year...poor? I realize it's not a "great" salary for the Bay Area, but still!


Posted by Tired of CA Universities, a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Jul 21, 2011 at 5:19 pm

I don't know how many of you readers have had a son or daughter apply to a California college or university recently. I have two kids that went through the grind- one 3.5 years ago and one this year.

ALL of the public schools are very impacted here in California. According to the papers, UCLA and UC Berkeley admitted 30% out-of-state / out-of-country this year. (They pay higher tuitions.) Go look at CollegeBoard.com and you'll see most of the schools have extremely high GPAs for admittance. So CA tax payers have been paying heavy taxes for years and the kids either can't get into a CA college or they can't graduate in less than 6 years even though the tuitions are snowballing.

I'm lucky to have two bright kids with strong GPAs (over 4.0). But both of my kids are going out-of-state for school. The oldest is graduating in 3.5 years with a dual major and already has job offers.

California is broken in so many ways. There are lots of things to fix and the colleges and universities are certainly at the top of the list. An education is the most important thing a person can have and sadly CA is less and less able to provide that. Very sad.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm

I saw a bumper sticker back in the early 80s that read:

"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."

I would only add that you might want to look at cost performance. If you're going to be making twice what you paid for college in your first year out of the gate, then it's a smart investment. If your career goals are more modest or altruistic, then you might want to shop around for something more cost effective.

You see, a thing is only expensive if its value is less than its cost.








Posted by Shawn, a resident of Country Fair
on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Both of my kids are going out of state as well and on full tuition. My son is at the University of Alabama and will also god willing attend law school there before starting his career and my daughter is going to the University of Colorado and both of them are really enjoying their college experiences. I went to Pepperdine in the late 70"s and my read is that this state has gone completely down the tubes. I travel extensively with work and it is embarrassing to say I live in California because people just roll their eyes and say why? We need to remove all of these spenders in elected postions and quickly.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 21, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Who on Earth is going to make twice what they paid for college "first year out of the gate"? You'd have to be earning 200k even having attended a state university. I think college is a long term, not a short term investment. Good luck to kids trying to get a job without a college degree these days. You could earn a good living without being educated in my dad's day, but not now.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Julie,

Like I said, look at cost performance. With education, the money majors will deliver a lot faster than the humanities. You also want to consider that the top grade earners from the top schools are going to be starting a lot higher up on the food chain than your second- and third-tier school grads will.

Shawn's child is aiming for a JD via U of Alabama. With the number of lawyers being produced by the nation's many law schools, Shawn would be asking whether U of A offers or sets one up for entry to top-tier programs such as the ones at Cal Berkeley, UCLA, or Stanford.


Posted by UC Alum, a resident of California Reflections
on Jul 22, 2011 at 6:33 am

I see a lot of bad parenting here in Ptown. A good parent tries to discourage his/her kid from attending the U of Alabama, which is an academic cesspool allowed to exist for the sake of its football team.

U of Colorado? Nice party school. Academics? A complete joke.

Fact is, UC system recruits out of state for a number of sound academic reasons: by so doing it raises the bar, as it gains some of the nation's top young minds who are hellbent on escaping that large ghetto known as the South; and it increases diversity so that one doesn't encounter exclusively Cal Republican wannabe's who are going to school to make money. Example: please note how fixated so many posters here are on the almight dollar ... and how they are unable to think their way out of a paperbag when it comes to anything not dollar-related (OR dollar-related, for that matter). Since this post started, how many have discussed actual educational practices and accomplishments of the UC's? I rest my case.

Try looking at Chronicle of Higher Education and see where the UC's place in relation to other schools. UCBerkeley, you'll find, places in the top ten in virtually every major, right there with Harvard and Princeton. It is arguably the greatest public university in the world. UC San Diego is not far behind in most important categories, and has passed UC Berkeley in others.

Fact is, the UC system offers far better than most Californians deserve. Most Calis, exemplified by the posters here, seem to think college is supposed to be a business school or high-priced vocational technical institute. Parents, your kids deserve better than you.


Posted by Been There, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2011 at 9:13 am

I think, in general, after putting 3 kids through college, that colleges must not be fiscally responsible. It seems no one is watching the hen house because they are largely not accountable to anyone - unless you consider the parents who are paying tuition...and when was the last time parents rose up in revolt? We all meekly go to the slaughter, like a bunch of sheep, either paying tuition outright or, taking out huge student loans. In retrospect, the costs just don't seem to pass the smell test for me, but as a parent, I can't do an extensive audit on my own and no one seems to be investigating this issue. We all complain about bloated government: I am certain that college administrations are bloated. The issue, of course, is that we will have an entire generation that is saddled with enormous debt...that's money that won't go into owning a home and the kind of general spending that builds a sound economy. Our kids didn't have to get college loans and, now that they are buying homes, they realize what an amazing gift we were able to give them. One of them, however, is paying off a spouse's college loan so there is still a ripple effect.

As an aside, of my 3 kids, one of them did a semester at a UC and it was not a great experience: huge classes, taught by TAs ...that is, if you could get classes. My daughter ended up with only 9 credits because she couldn't get classes and one of the classes was an upper division class because it was the only one she could get into. Signing up for classes was a nightmare too. She left for a private school: 30 or fewer kids to a class, real professors...and best of all, she got out in 4 years. The next child went private also, and the last one went to an out of state public University but the costs have been reasonable and classes have been easy to get into and the advisors are easy to contact. For any parent considering paying for college now, I can tell you from experience that living expenses are huge and if your kid spends and extra year or two in school, those living expenses will take over any savings you thought you garnered by sending them to a state school. IMHO. And my kids all worked and helped with their expenses.

Good Luck to you all. I'm glad that huge spending bubble is over for us.


Posted by Vested Interest, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2011 at 9:39 am

UC Alum clearly has a vested interest in maintaining th continued robbing of the middleclass that the current CA university system represents.

At least the UC system has been honest regarding why they are going out-of-state more - money in the form of increased revenue/student.

My kid as a Junior in HS has already been accepted at most UC's. He is using those schools only as safe choices and is actively looking out of state and private schools or other leading public institutions.

The CA education system is just one more example of a CA institution that has seen its better days. Hopefully, the powers in office will get honest about the fact that CA has one of the highest tax rates in the country and yet is continually running out of money.

Where is all that money going if it is not going to our future in the form of infrastructure or education?


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2011 at 4:23 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Vested Interest, I'm just curious. How could your junior already have been *accepted* at "most UC's"? If I remember correctly, my child applied last Fall, during senior year of high school. Applications were due in November or December and then decisions went out that Spring of senior year. Is your child being recruited for sports?


Posted by Vested Interest, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

If your kids gets good enough grades to guarantee he/she will end up near the top of their class (as fortunately mine did) you get a notice from the UC school system that they have guaranteed acceptance. Not for all UC's but many of them.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2011 at 5:58 pm

Julie is a registered user.

VI, thanks for answering. Congratulations to your kids. I know why I didn't know about that :) Actually, it rings a bell - is it like the top 4%? That is especially an accomplishment here in Pleasanton.


Posted by Clarify, a resident of Foothill High School
on Jul 22, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Vested and Julie: here is the official wording from the UC website in regard to guaranteed admissions for students who will be entering the UC system in the Fall of 2012. (note they are promised admission to "a UC campus", not all or any UC campus)

"Two groups of California-resident students will be guaranteed admission to a UC campus, beginning with students applying for fall 2012:

those who rank in the top 9 percent of all high school graduates statewide
those who rank in the top 9 percent of their own high school graduating class at the end of the 11th grade
It's important to understand, however, that these students are not guaranteed admission to the UC campus or campuses to which they apply. Some campuses and majors are extremely competitive and aren't able to accommodate every qualified student who wishes to attend. In those instances, students will be offered admission to a UC campus with available space.

Students must complete the UC's course and test-taking requirements by the end of their senior year in high school to be considered fully qualified to enroll."


Posted by Angry taxpayer, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 12:05 am

I have avoided going to this thread about another tuition increase....I knew I would rant about discrimination against white males...and sure enough that is what the thread is REALLY about anyway ! I noticed white males were not listed as learning about their group.
This 'group think' is so nonproductive...is it unite and all be buddies, or is it separate and cluster into groups ! ! Can't win.
The tuition increases are because the UC union employees haven't contributed anything toward their own retirements....we've always done that for them.
I truly resent paying any taxes to UC, considering that they will not help my family HONOR males attend, since the male wage earner has not had a paycheck for a year....his kids cannot attend any college. Can't borrow against the house, NO JOB to qualify for any loans (plus the equity has sunk under water,.,,so UC's message is 'stick it to their kids'.,. that is not fair.,,those ''other groups' don't get loans either,,..they get the WHOLE FREE RIDE !! UC practices discrimination and group preferences daily !! We, the people outlawed preferences, but UC violates and flips us off daily.


Posted by UC Alum, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 6:16 am

Sad commentary on parents and their children when the posters here have nothing substantive to say about the UC, only that they don't want to pay higher tuition, don't want to pay higher taxes, classes are too big, my mentally challenged kid couldn't find out how to register until after most of the classes were filled, my kid got accepted but don't ask me where because I don't know the difference between UC Berkeley and UC Riverside, and anyway I'm lying through my teeth.... What a pathetic lot of losers.

Anyone want to comment on the Nobel laureates at UC, or the contents of their research, or how phenomenal it would be to have one's kids studying with one or two of them? No? Right. How could that be interesting when it's all about your sole interest -- your personalized bellybutton having a circlet of saved pennies around it.


Posted by Been There, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 9:02 am

Yes, it is sad that more people don't have enough substantive things to say about the UC...is it perhaps because there are reasons for that? How long has it been since you were a UC student? Classes are too big and registration is a nightmare - how many dumb clucks are admitted to the UC anyway? Certainly they are smart enough to schedule classes if there were enough available.

There are Nobel laureates teaching in colleges across the country and other options are available to parents and students looking for a great education and to obtain their degree within a reasonable time frame.


Posted by Vested Interest, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 9:03 am

Wow, are you doing your school proud. Tell you what, you come clean on who you are and your vested interest with the school system (I'm almost positive there is a financial connection here) and I'll disclose who I am and let you inspect the letter we received from the UC system and determine whether/not I'm lying.

It seems people like you just don't get it and are in the minority - look at the poll in the paper this morning regarding the tuition increase where the vast majority believe this was a mistake. Tuition is going up simply to cover the unfunded retirement of school employees. Essentially the school system is taxing middleclass families in order to fund retirements that the average non-government person won't have.

And you won't acknowledge or can't even comprehend the connection between the explosion of education debt and the ever increasing cost of eduction at a rate vastly higher than the rate of inflation.


Posted by truth teller, a resident of Birdland
on Jul 23, 2011 at 12:44 pm

Yeah, I know of 34 Nobel Laureates teaching at the U of Alabama, 16 teaching at the University of Idaho, 41 teaching at University of North Dakota, and 155 teaching at U of Colorado. I think there's only one or two at Berzerkely. Oh, and my kid was selected by a UC and I'm not lying -- oops, I forgot to say which one. Does it make a difference? They're all overpriced, so what's the difference between one or the other?

If you're defending the UC system it MUST be because you have some financial ties to one of the schools. Because it couldn't possibly be that the schools are defensible on grounds that many of them are quite excellent, or that as a system they constitute the best in the world, bar none. Let's judge our universities on whether their tuition rate exceeds rate of inflation. Now there's a criterion for you? Am I a complete idiot or what!!!!


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 1:04 pm

With such a juvenile response, you much be so agitated because all this may be getting close to your pocketbook and/or retirement?


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 1:46 pm

Julie is a registered user.

@Clarity, thank you for the information.

I don't have any experience with the UC system, other than what I am going through now. I realize there are negative issues surrounding the system, but this is what my child wanted and so I am supporting it. She set the goal of a UC and I'm proud she made it. She also did not want to go far away to college & I am fine with that too. I figure whatever high prices I am paying here, I am glad I won't have the expense of air fare for visits/getting her there & back. I was impressed by the UCs we visited. Overall, I think college (life in general) is what you make of it. It's up to my child to have a quality experience, not up to how many Nobel Laureates will be at her college.

Angry Taxpayer, if the wage earner hasn't had a job, can't his child go free? I thought if you earn < 80k it's a free ride.

I was upset to read that only 55% of us actually pay. The next time they need more money, instead of raising the rate for 55% of us, I think they should adjust that percentage instead. Obviously the system can't truly support paying for 45% of the applicants.


Posted by Angry taxpayer, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm

So everybody thinks blatent DISCRIMINATION is OK....they don't need to treat groups equally ?? OK to discrimination against white male honor students born in Alameda County, just because their Dad's employer shuttered, and can't get a credit line, since their home equity recently disappeared...so UC says,.tough, honor boy. But that's OK, if it applied to all. But it doesn't, because UC discriminates against white males..,.everybody should be outraged that there is ANY discrimination. Why doesn't everybody demand EQUAL standards and rules for ALL ???? Hypocrisy ??
Yet, most any minority, not born in the county or state, and not an honor student, can get a mostly 'free ride', grants, & some loans....particularly if Mom never married, or if the student is pregnant, they they can also get free child care....how sweet. Arbitrary discrimination in a PUBLIC school. Shut it down, if UC won't treat all Californians equally. ...I am not a teapartier, but it is public institutional discrimination and tax $$ that most people cannot tolerate... the UNfairness and government hypocrisy.
Because political correctness abounds, groups and corporations give to minorities, rather than equally worthy white males in the community. I'd say until UC regains integrity in equality, and practice operating with honor ...just shut it down.


Posted by Angry taxpayer, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 23, 2011 at 11:35 pm

The increase in UNemployment nationally was grim, but nothing compared to CA. CA UNemployment again increased last month. JUNE went UP to 11.8.....and the nation gets all worked up over 9.1....wouldn't CA love to settle for that,,., we're 2.7 higher than nation.
Our companies have to close their doors when there no more money...Not like UC, that just ups tuition to make deeper BARRIERS that eliminate middle-class kids. Rich go, and poor get their free rides, The tuition increases are transferred as subsidies to transfer to the 'underclass'. Most of the shortage is due to the unfunded pension liabilities, because the administration didn't have the employees contribute to their own retirements (like business does)


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2011 at 8:40 am

Julie is a registered user.

Angry Taxpayer, I don't blame you for feeling angry. I don't know if I'm at "angry", but I am "frustrated". I do think the middle class is expected/required to bear the burden. FAFSA decides that I can afford to send my kid without any aid. Great. What about my other kids? We were responsible and saved money for college. Unfortunately our investments and wages couldn't keep up with the UC 40% hike, 8% hike and now almost 10% hike. But, still 45 % of the students don't pay? I am not against helping the poor, but I am against doing more for them than can be afforded.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm

oh miss julie...get a grip...what's so wrong with helping out students in need? are you a greedy ole hen or what?

how come you don't comment about all the money the Board of Regents are making...students and their parents are paying more because of how the Regents and Arnold worked their magic and made out like flint...they're making money head over heels while folks like you suffer...i'm crying over it...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...you get outslicked, ticked off because you don't understand how money is being stolen in plain sight so you trash poor students and their families...duh...get a brain...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...


Posted by Oppressed White Male, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 25, 2011 at 8:21 am

What possibly could one say substantively about UC other than that its tuition is too high? Yes, I know, some goofballs want to measure tuition alongside quality of instruction, but what kind of a measure is that? The only thing substantive in this world is money. And I'm tired of the public universities discriminating against people like me. I filled out the application forms and wrote an extensive letter detailing my views on these matters. I told them my philosophy of the substantive. And I told them how anyone working for UC is only out to pad their bank acoounts. And other excellent things too. But they rejected me because I'm a white male.


Posted by Angry taxpayer, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2011 at 2:57 pm

Sadly, the free-ride minorities usually go for Grant Writing for non profits, or something equally non-productive....not the MATH & SCIENCE that silicon valley says they can't find here ! ! Maybe free-rides should have some skill standards along with the free-ride.
The last 3 giant tuition increases went to SUBSIDIZING free-ride funds for the "underclass minorities".....(doesn't hurt the rich) increases that very much make it impossible for MIDDLE-CLASS WHiTE MALES whose taxpayer parent couples have suffered furloughs, cutbacks, and losses on their homes. When their retirement funds have been going for food and housing, there's nothing for TUITION INCREASES. But UC chancellors and pres want everything to go to underclass, whose family never planned on paying tuition anyway....how LUCKY those kids are...since they are beneficiaries the lottery,..UNfair ARBITRARY DISCRIMINATION AGAINST HONOR white males. Regardless of scholastic standards of professors, if the school is being run by blind zealots (well-meaning but without understanding) who practice racism, not equal treatment.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm

All you have to do if you're a scientist at Livermore Lab is retire, receive your retirement salary, and listen to this...they hire you again at a higher salary while your retirement income keeps on rolling in, and a few other perks!!! AXE Arnold how he could make out like flint...talk to the new head of the Regents...taxpayers and Californians have been bamboozled by the Boardd of Regents and nobody seems to know what happened? funny funny funny


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 25, 2011 at 10:39 pm

Incidentally, the money making arrangement has worked for the older employees, not the young ones...talk to them, interview them, they are ticked off and they will talk to you...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

tuition increases were predictable years ago, and most folks were too stupid to figure it out...

no go cry your eyes out...wipe you winking eyes...hahahahahahahaha


Posted by To: ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2011 at 11:11 pm

"Posted by ?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Proud Alum - I don't get what you are trying to get at here. Are you saying that since CA's university systems is one of the best in the world, it is OK for them to continue to push through price increases year after year that are much greater than inflation?

And if you are going to defend this by saying this is what it takes to retain talent, please do note that the explosion of education costs is directly related the the explotion of education debt. We are enslaving our kids with debt even before they reach the workforce to support ever increasing salaries and retirement benefits they will never see.

Does this make sense to you? If so, I'd love to hear your thoughts and justification."

Well stated.


Posted by Repub votes no michelles, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Cholo, I am so amazed I had to comment...you actually wrote a couple of real sentences ! !
However, there was an error. Arnold did not make out like Flint....he never took any salary from the people of Califoria !
And he used his own plane.


Posted by Proud Alum, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2011 at 5:54 am

Anyone up for talking about the quality of UC system? Didn't think so.

Anyone want to talk about draconian cuts in state assistance to the greatest public university system in the world? Didn't think so.

Anyone want to discuss how cuts in state assistance and federal cuts to research and development have made it increasingly more difficult, more costly, to do cutting-edge life-saving research? Didn't think so.

Anyone want to discuss steep raises in costs invovled with keeping smart classrooms with cutting-edge technology -- computers, sound systems, projectors? Nope, didn't think so.

Let's instead talk about how UC tuition hikes have exceeded rate of inflation. Yeah, there's a standard of measurement for ya. And how our children are enslaved, cuz they might be expected to pay tax rates as high as the enslaved question mark whose comments are so idiotic as to leave readers shaking their heads in astonishment.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm

And you claim you are an alum of the UC's? Didn't they teach you proper sentence/paragraph structure? I think I got the essence of what you were trying to convey, but I'm not sure.

I sure hope you don't have to provide cogent arguments of defense for a living ...


Posted by Blossom, a resident of Stoneridge Orchards
on Jul 27, 2011 at 5:56 am

Yes, Proud Alum's arguments were too dense for me too. What's he talking about? Quality of UC system? What does THAT mean? The important thing is that hmmmmm, Angry, and others of us who haven't been to college don't let the rate of inflation go up on account of increases in tuition at the liberal elite farms like UC.


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2011 at 7:38 am

Blossom - I find it quite interesting that most of the time on these blogs you are defending the rights of middleclass/poor people who are falling victim to the evil doings of the top 1% and Wall Street.

And yet you are basically defending an education system (that is quite good - no one will argue that) that is gouging the middleclass in order to provide its top executives huge raises and to fund an unfunded retirement program that the vast majority of middleclass citizens won't get.

Which is it for you - ignorance of the issue or hypocrisy?

Lastly, for one that supposedly stands up for the equal rights of others, it is interesting how you continue to project your prejudices and biases on those who have differing opinions than you. How can you even hope to know what my education level is?


Posted by Blossom, a resident of Stoneridge Orchards
on Jul 27, 2011 at 8:07 am

Dear ?

I have every right to be as ignorant and hypocritical as you are. And, like you, I do not stand for the equal rights of others but only myself and my pocketbook. Like you, I'm every bit as capable of reducing the question of the quality and running of a university to one of dollars and cents. You see, I'm as ignorant as you are. We're both enslaved, and I'm sure, like me, you'd rather die than have to spend more tax money on the educational needs of the UC system.

Provide something substantive -- say, the quality of UC Berkeley's philosophy department vs that of any of the Ivy League schools, the the quality of UCSD's political science dept vs that of any of the Ivies. Only then, with extensive analysis that takes into account such factors, can any discussion of tuition value make any sense whatsoever. Like me, you're probably dumb as a board about such matters; yet you continue to pontificate your stupifying ignorance without any shame whatsoever. Look, I'm dumb, and I admit it; why can't you admit that you're dumb? You seem to know even less than I do. My husband tells me that's what ideologies do: make people like you and me dumb as boards while allowing us to think we have something thoughtful to say. So, by all means, let's continue: Down with high administrator salaries in the UC; Down with high Professorial salaries in the UC. Let's give taxpayers (especially me) our money back. If UC system quality declines, well too bad. Just a bunch of overpaid elitists. Who cares? We know nothing about higher education, only that we resent people who are smarter and better paid than we are. Anybody against us must be an administrator or a professor in the UC system. Why do we think this way? Cuz we're idiots, that's why, as any fool can ascertain.


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2011 at 8:28 am

Your attempts at justifying your many hypocricial positions are interesting to say the least.

Once again in you world I must be dumb and uneducated because I dare to have an opinion different than yours. Will it turn your world upside down to learn I went to Dartmouth College and have a post-graduate degree?

Yes, there are fiscally conservative and educated people out there.


Posted by Blossom, a resident of Stoneridge Orchards
on Jul 27, 2011 at 11:04 am

Dear ?

We thought about sending our kids to Dartmouth. But we quickly thought better of it. It's way too expensive, for one thing -- way more expensive than the UC's. And, for another, in terms of quality, it can't begin to compete with most of the UC's.

All in all, we found Dartmouth to be a little backwater haven into which the rich funnel their kids who aren't scoring high enough to get into a genuinely competitive university. I'm not denying that the college has a lot of money from old wealth, who donate handsomely in hopes that Dartmouth will instill within their kids the idea of old Protestant-Anglo wealth. But the college does not fare well in most academic ratings systems.

Finally, many Dartmouth grads couldn't spell hypocritical if their lives depended upon it.

Guess you'd rather forward irrelevant claims (about yourself) you can't verify than actually discuss the cost of UC's in relation to quality of education, eh? Is that the kind of argumentation skill you acquired at Dartmouth and your, um, post-graduate training? Sign me, Unimpressed


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2011 at 11:34 am

Best of luck with your nitpicking, stereotyping and false accusations.

And most of all best of luck defending CA's dramatic rate increases, a tax against the middleclass, that most others without financial ties to the schools would find indefensible.

It seems your standing up for the rights of the middleclass is a bit selective.


Posted by Billy Bob, a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jul 27, 2011 at 11:58 am

I've got a great idea. Let's judge the UC system on no other criterion than whether tuition hikes are on par with rate of inflation.

It's the perfect standard to use, especially if one doesn't know anything about the workings of a university. But, see, with the inflation standard, it permits criticism of UC based upon the price of bread, or gold, or labor, or cars, or ... well, you get my point. Now those who have financial ties to the UC's will probably argue that inflation is a poor index. It is variable for one thing, oftentimes given to wild fluctuations; but it also fails to accurately take into account newly developing needs of a great university system. I say the supporters of such a weak defense must have ties to the UC system because I myself am incapable of understanding how anyone could develop a reasoned position that isn't obviously connected to an economic interest. Isn't this how all humans think? It's how I think! I don't know of any other basis for developing validity claims.

But back to my original claim. See, if new research needs develop on campus, or new technologies are demanded, or library journal rates skyrocket often to the tune of a 400% increase per year, the UC should either not purchase the journal or lay-off a professor or administrator until the rates come down to more realistically reflect the current inflation index. And if the rates don't go down? Well then, the UC has simply lost a valued professor or researcher. Who cares? We're not concerned with quality here, after all, but only inflation index. So the quality of the UC system suffers on account of all the cutting? Like I say, that shouldn't bother anyone -- especially some blockhead like myself who doesn't care about quality, but only cares about not being enslaved by the IRS. Go ahead, stereotype me and nitpick all you want to. Call me an idiot, you false accuser you!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 27, 2011 at 4:45 pm

That Arnold received "no salary" has NADA to do with how much money he has made. Contact the Faculty at UCB, there are a few brilliant physicists around who can ESplain how you've all been taken...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

Also, nobody has ever really explored in any detail, except certain professors, how the new head of the Regents has worked his magic and screwed over the taxpayers/students in the UC system! Y'all have been out slicked!

In short, taxpayers pay through the nose while the Board and Arnold make out like FLINT!


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Posted by Ernesto, a resident of Valley Trails
on Jul 28, 2011 at 7:26 am

"So the quality of the UC system suffers on account of all the cutting? Like I say, that shouldn't bother anyone -- especially some blockhead like myself who doesn't care about quality, but only cares about not being enslaved by the IRS."

The quote above would probably apply to most of those against Proposition E as well. Uneducated know-nothings who are scrambling along the floor on all fours looking for pennies to be saved because somebody said cuts to schools would emancipate enslaved tax payers. Not a pretty picture at all, Pleasanton.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 4, 2011 at 6:46 pm

UC Regents are going to continue to RAISE RAISE RAISE tuition!

Web Link This is a good place to start if you're interested in learning how money is used to expand UC and dump worthy faculty and students.

You might also want to check out which Regents have a conflict of interest and are making out like flint...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

Y'all be outslicked...tough titty as they say...tough titty...


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