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Cemetery Gripe Fest

Uploaded: Jun 25, 2014

The City Council cancelled their regular Tuesday night meeting and instead held a Workshop on Creekside Memorial Park which is the cemetery planned for Tassajara Valley. This change was listed on the June 10, 2014 Agenda.

If the presentation on the City Center was a love fest, the presentation on Creekside Memorial Cemetery was a gripe fest. Everyone, or at least the very large crowd attending the Informational Presentation on the cemetery in Tassajara Valley, hated it.

The intended audience for this "Informational" presentation came prepared – very prepared. They even brought dinner, and set up a buffet table of Chinese food outside the Council Chambers. Most of the attendees are residents of Dougherty Valley. The map below shows the proximity of Windemere to the proposed cemetery marked with a red X.



Mayor Bill Clarkson and Vice Mayor Phil O'Loane were on the dais, but since only two were present, they did not make a quorum. Clarkson said the other three Councilmembers were away, so they were holding this Informational Presentation instead. Clarkson told the crowd, which packed the Council Chambers to the walls, to fill out speaker cards if they wanted to speak or ask questions after the presentation.

The presentation took about ten minutes and it was pretty straight forward. I brought my copy of the original plans from 2005 that Sid Corrie gave me when I interviewed him back in 2010. The presentation covered what was in the plans. There have been changes, which Mayor Clarkson noted but not with many details.

I turned in my speaker card first, but after I saw how big and agitated the crowd was, I thought I should listen to what they had to say first. The Chambers seats 50 people. All of the seats were full and there were at least another 50 standing along the walls. About half of those inside submitted speaker cards. Up to another 100 people were still outside listening to the meeting over the loudspeakers.

I took notes and tried to get the names of the speakers, but I did not get them all or spell them correctly. The first 10 or 15 speakers said there would not be enough ground water for the landscaping and it would deplete the wells.

Water use is addressed in the the Final EIR. "Existing wells will be surveyed and tested and the data will be compared to the monitoring program. Only after the long-term testing is completed can the cemetery develop beyond the construction phase." But that information was not presented at the Workshop.

Michelle Ulrech owns a farm at 7101 Camino Ramon, which is directly across from the proposed cemetery. She has to haul water in for her livestock. She also said the traffic from funeral processions would make it dangerous for her to pull into the road. Ulrech's concerns make sense because she lives across the street, but most of the speakers were from Dougherty Valley and made no sense at all.

Their beautiful, peaceful, family life would be destroyed. San Ramon would be known as the city with the giant cemetery. Property values would go down. One resident even suggested suing Shapell for selling them a house without disclosing this monster cemetery a few miles away.

"What can we do to STOP IT!"

I have been following the development of this cemetery for four years. I first wrote about it in 2010 when the No on Measure W campaign was claiming, falsely, that Sid Corrie was planning to build 4000 houses in Tassajara Valley. Corrie abandoned those plans in 2005 and changed his plan to a cemetery instead.

In 2005 the San Ramon City Council was looking for a nearby location for a cemetery. The late Curt Kinney was instrumental in convincing Sid Corrie to use some of his property in Tassajara Valley to build a cemetery for the Tri-Valley.

Three years ago I interviewed Bill and Holly Newman, who live next door to the proposed cemetery. I looked around the Council Chambers and did not see the Newman's which surprised me. They came late and were outside with the overflow crowd.

The Newman's have legitimate concerns about the size and scope of the plans. They put up a website, Stop the Cemetery with a lot of factual information and links to articles, both pro and con, about it.

Holly Newman said she doesn't mind a cemetery there if it was reduced to a more reasonable size. That's an attitude that the rest of the people at the meeting should adopt.

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Posted by stopcemetery, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 2:52 pm

So 5000 people living next to cemetery and wanting to STOP it are fools and the reporter who probably lives miles away from the cemetery where funeral parlor will not be driving in front of your street everyday is absolutely correct.

Roz , u have no right to judge our fears for this project , let the County listen to us and decide ,we will all be there to meet the County and so the builder who is out to make millions at our cost .


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 3:48 pm

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5,000 people living "next to a cemetery?" The only people living next to that property are the people actually living NEXT to it, like Bill and Holly Newman and Michelle Ulrech and other residents of Tassajara Valley.

The funeral processions going through Dougherty Valley might be a problem, but these could be "mitigated" which is the term planners use for making an undesirable situation less undesirable. Routes could be changed or rotated or limited by time of day or day of week.

The size of the cemetery should be reduced. There are many options that would lessen the impacts on your neighborhood without stopping the cemetery entirely.

What bothered me about the meeting was the speakers' fears were so out of proportion to any harm this cemetery could possibly cause them. This cemetery is still many years from being filled up or even built. I felt that the residents were being manipulated by groups or individuals with their own agendas to whip up opposition to this cemetery for reasons that have not been fully revealed.

Roz


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Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 6:39 pm

Roz,

You have this COMPLETELY backwards. The speakers revealed the reasons but you refused to listen.

Windemere has a large community of people of Chinese heritage. In Chinese culture, it is extremely undesirable to have a cemetery near your home. People are VERY upset about this. Of course, everyone else in Windemere opposes the cemetery as well, but the Chinese community was able to organize itself more quickly in response.

My wife is Chinese-born and I was brought into this fight via her connection to that community.

Danville and Dublin, of course, also have large Chinese communities and you should expect them to mobilize soon too. This is a very important issue to a lot of people.

If you want to do journalism, interview the community here and find out what is going on. That should be your first step before wild speculation and accusations.


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Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Roz,

From all your articles, it is clear that you do not understand the concerns of the community most affected by this cemetery project. Many in the communities closest to the cemetery are Asian Americans. It is bad luck to live near a cemetery in our culture. You are disrespecting us by not trying to understand our fears and concerns. You are a reporter but you are trying to push your agenda which negatively affects our lives. If this cemetery happens, no amount of money will keep people from leaving San Ramon. Many already have extremely difficult commutes to the South Bay for work, but then we have to come home and live next to a cemetery. No outside groups are trying to manipulate us. These are our true fears. WE DO NOT WANT A CEMETERY NEAR OUR COMMUNITY PERIOD.


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Posted by CL, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Roz - When a big crowd turned out to voice their objection, your assumption was that they were manipulated into opposing it. We have in the crowd university professors, national lab scientists, executives, engineers, accountants, realtors, etc., etc. It would be a bit hard to trick all these people into believing something at the same time. Perhaps it is a good idea to try and understand their thoughts before rushing into conclusions.


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Posted by Runa, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 9:36 pm

Dear All,

Here is my plan. If Cemetery is built in Tassajara, I'll sell my house before the value drops further and buy a plot in the Cemetery. Why? The Cemetery close to Million Dollar homes is a paradise for the dead. But the house close to a graveyard is a spooky one and has no potential of appreciation.

Many times, we have to sacrifice. Now it's our time to sacrifice to the dead people. So let's all move out, let Tassajara valley becomes the biggest graveyard and help San Ramon be famous for having such a paradise. Cheers!


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Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community,
on Jun 26, 2014 at 9:50 pm

I guess nobody had anything better to do on a Tuesday night. It is heartening to see that people wanted to get their feelings out in public, unfortunately they will have to do it again, several times, in front of the County Planning Commission and Board of Supervisors, where the matter will be legitimately decided upon. I wonder how much San Ramon staff time and money was spent in putting together this 'dog and pony' show for something that the city won't even have a vote in?


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Posted by Elizabeth S, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 27, 2014 at 9:53 am

I live on the other side of San Ramon and attended the meeting due to my interest in open space. I find Roz's opinion that "most of the speakers were from Dougherty Valley and made no sense at all" interesting. In my opinion, the majority of these speakers made a lot of sense. Roz, this was the first time I had the opportunity to hear you speak and in my opinion, most of the speakers you disparage made a lot more sense than you did. You rambled about the past and you made no point. The Vice Mayor had to step in and correct you when you commented that the cemetery would be better than 4000 homes - the urban limit line prevents this. Did you not know about Measure W? I left not knowing where you stood. I was not impressed with your performance and will take your blogs in the future with a grain of salt.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 27, 2014 at 2:13 pm

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Elizabeth,

There's a lot more history to this than you know, and I am emotional about it.

There's still development going on in Tassajara Valley and it will continue to go on despite it being outside the Urban Growth boundaries. There won't be 4000 houses in that property; it's too small, but there could still be a smaller housing development built there.

I'm not pro or con for the cemetery. My issue is a lot closer to home. All I can say is when any group tries to prevent development around here, it usually results in something worse happening to someone else that had nothing to do with it.

Bob P. knows what I'm talking about.

Roz


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Posted by Mike Jones III, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:04 pm

Personally, I think building a cemetery too close homes is a bad idea. The scale of the project is way too big.

I rather have more homes or even school around that area.

I think people that oppose to the nuisance of this development should start attending all these meeting and not wait and see to do nothing.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 2:16 am

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Elizabeth S,

I know all about Measure W. You might want to read one of my past blogs about it. Web Link

2016 is less than two years away.


Roz


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm

I'm not the kinda person who cares where other folks end up. I prefer cremation and ashes in the sea! It's much more sanitary and I like knowing that we have a choice that we can go swimming for ever.

Besides, when a new housing development site is selected, it could be that your bones will be dumped in heap and there will be no memory that you ever existed.

I only know 4 adults that want to be buried and they have made arrangements already.

What's the big to do about a cemetery? In my opinion, it's all a waste of time.



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Posted by Mitch, a resident of another community,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 1:08 pm

Cemetery and open space sure beats adding more homes for the ultra rich and others willing to pack 4 generations into one house, 3 feet away from their neighbors house, with no back yard or land to speak of. A cemetery, in my opinion, would add a little personality to your soulless neighborhood.


















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Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 3:09 pm

During the last cemetery 'go round' somebody said, "cemeteries make good neighbors", and for the most part that is true. If you want open space, large expanses of green grass, there isn't many uses that will get you that.

Bottom line, the land owners have the right to be able to develop their land in the most economically advantageous way they can. If you take one way off the table, they will find another. Pick your poison.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 4:08 pm

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Cemeteries, or any land developments, don't pop up overnight. This one has been planned for almost ten years. It will continue to be planned and changed before the first spade of dirt is turned over.

Even after construction is started, it would take years before the first funeral is held. Plots have to be sold, and then the person has to die before he or she can move in.

Most developments of this size are built in phases. So even if the plans say it will hold 100,000 graves, they won't be built or inhabited all at once.

Many of the fears and exaggerations expressed at the meeting could have easily been diffused if the Mayor or Vice Mayor wanted to explain any of this to the crowd. The fact that they didn't, demonstrated to me that their intention was to stir up opposition to the cemetery for reasons they are not revealing.

Roz


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Posted by James L, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Just remember who voted for you'll at election time.

I'm pretty sure this is a cultural discrimination against the San Ramon community.

There definitely are better locations for a cemetery than this one.

We will fight this cemetery all the way to the end.

I do not see any good arguments for this cemetery at all.




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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 28, 2014 at 11:20 pm

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James,

I'm not saying there are good arguments for it, but so far I have heard mostly bad arguments against it.

Roz


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Posted by James L, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 9:29 am

Roz,

I'm not sure why you are so bias for this development. You have a kickback from the developer? Please disclose.

So why do it if there is no good argument for it?

I don't think it's logical thinking here. Think about the impact to the community.

You probably do not live in our neighborhood on the east side.

I'm open to more expensive homes there though.

We can let the developer get rich but not at our expense.

James


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Posted by cremation is the answer, a resident of another community,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 9:46 am

Wasting land for the purpose of burying bodies is something we should not even consider. Cremation is far more sanitary and is a permanent answer. How many cemeteries have been dug up to move the bodies in the name of needing the land? Take Paris as a fine example. The catacombs under the city are filled with thousands of bones of the formerly buried dead.

An even larger issue should be obvious in light of the current, and likely long term, drought. As mentioned above, " large expanses of green grass" are what cemeteries are all about. We have little drinking water as it is and can ill afford to waste drinking water on grass to cover the grave sites. At the very least it should be an absolute requirement that no drinking water EVER be allowed on any cemetery. They need to plumb it for recycled waste water.

Cemeteries are huge land and water wasters and should be reconsidered in light of those things. As for the people of Chinese heritage demanding that we honor their customs -- what country are you living in right now? Is is reasonable for those of American culture to demand that the Chinese change the way they do things to accommodate us? Just asking.


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Posted by Jane D, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 10:42 am

Insensitivity to other cultures. Don't need another Clipper Donald Sterling.
Change that cemetery location address to:"666 Cemetery Road". Just asking also. That's how I feel about it.


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Posted by cremation is the answer, a resident of another community,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 12:15 pm

I am not for a minute suggesting that a cemetery, any cemetery, is a good idea and certainly not in that location. Nor am I supporting anything about Donald Sterling and his form of bigotry. What I am saying is that if I moved to China and a new temple was proposed for my neighborhood, I would have no right to say that it offends my agnostic views and for that reason it cannot be built. When you choose to live in a country, wherever that is, you need to assimilate and stop trying to control everything around you just because it does not meet with your personal cultural beliefs. Of all of the reasons that cemetery should never be built, the one that I give no consideration to is that it will offend people of a different culture who have chosen to move here.


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Posted by Mike M, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 1:37 pm

Based on the number of replies, most of all the out of the community is for this. I guess the residence of the community is forced upon to accept anything without say or protest.I wonder how the dead will rest in peace. Find another location, please folks. Doesn't seem like a solution.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm

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James,

I'm not in favor of the cemetery, but I'm not against it either. I went through this whole argument several years ago when Harriet (Holly) Newman first brought it up at a City Council meeting. My first thought was, why would anyone object to a cemetery?

I visited the Newman's and heard their side of the story and agreed with them that the proposed cemetery would be too big and ostentatious for that location. If you want good arguments against it, speak to the Newmans. They started the Stopthecememtery.com website.

Your arguments are that you simply don't like it. That's not a good argument in my opinion. The Newmans don't want to live next to a cemetery either, but they are right NEXT to it. Holly Newman said she wouldn't object to a smaller cemetery, and that would be a good compromise in my opinion. These are my opinions, and your objections are your opinions.

When Sean White was running for County Supervisor two years ago, he suggested making it a "green cemetery," which would mean the bodies would not be embalmed. That would be better and safer for the groundwater. A drought tolerant landscape could be used instead of grass, and recycled water could be used instead of well water. So there are many options to change this cemetery into one that is less objectionable.

Maybe a big cemetery isn't needed anymore, but at the time when Curt Kinney proposed using this property for a cemetery, it was something a lot of people wanted. Now that times are changing, there isn't a need for such a big cemetery. If it isn't practical it won't be built.


Roz


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Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 6:25 pm

Roz,

You don't even live near the proposed site but you are adamantly pushing this cemetery onto us who will be living next to it. We get it. You didn't approve of Dougherty Valley when it was being developed. You would rather see a cemetery in our place. I'm sorry if we are not going to lied down quietly and get steamrolled by you and the County for this cemetery. Historical context will not change how we feel about a cemetery of any size built next to our home and community. A cemetery is not a typical development and should not be FORCED onto any neighborhood against their will.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 29, 2014 at 8:45 pm

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Windemere,

I'm not pushing the cemetery on you. I'm not for it, but I'm not against it. Nothing has been FORCED on your neighborhood. You are reacting to something that hasn't happened and might never happen.

Roz


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Posted by Holy N, a resident of another community,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 11:15 am

Roz,
Let me clarify my position. My husband and I have NO desire to live next to a cemetery, period. If we had known that one was planned, we would never have purchased the property next door to it fifteen years ago. Please stop writing that I support a smaller cemetery—I do not want ANY cemetery in this location. There was not enough time after the June 24th meeting for me to explain our position to you fully. While a smaller cemetery would not be quite as bad as a huge cemetery in some respects, my husband and I want to STOP this proposed cemetery altogether (hence the name of our website, www.StopTheCemetery.org).

Also, your map of the proposed cemetery location does not accurately show either the location or the size of the proposed cemetery site. We have posted a corrected map on www.stopthecemetery.org. Here is a link: Web Link. The area highlighted in yellow with a red "X" was what was incorrectly identified as the proposed cemetery site, and the area marked by the heavy red line is an approximation of the proposed cemetery site. Note how large the proposed site really is!


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Posted by Lee, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm

Holly, thank you so much for the clarification! If lawsuit or sth is needed, please open a donation account, we do NOT like a Graveyard view and will do anything to stop it.


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Posted by NOCEMETERY, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 3:24 pm

There is only one solution: THIS PROJECT MUST STOP FOREVER

All the supporters for it , please look around there are 7 cemeteries in the east bay , all you need is just 1 spot ,isnt it ?


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 3:32 pm

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Sorry Holy,

I thought you said you wouldn't mind a smaller cemetery. That's not the same as "support." I respect your views because you live next door to it. I find the mass objections of people living half-a-mile or more away to be irrational.

Also I apologize for mismarking the map. I'm am directionally challenged. The map from your link shows a much larger plan than I recalled.

The parcel north of that is being sold to East Bay Regional Parks as part of the Tassajara Parks development. Web Link The best solution might be getting EBRP to buy the cemetery parcel too. It won't go away unless someone buys it.

If the Dougherty Valley and Tassajara Valley neighbors are so opposed to the cemetery, and willing to donate thousands of dollars to stop it, start a fund to buy it from Sid Corrie. He was willing to sell it to the Tri-Valley Cities a few years ago. I don't recall how much he wanted, but maybe a partnership with EBRP, San Ramon and other Tri-Valley cities (it has a Pleasanton address), might be able to solve this without all the rancor.

Roz


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Posted by Liz, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm

Holly, oh, god. The cemetery is sooo big! More neighbours' houses are facing the Graveyard. Why Roz shrunk the size, and misled us by stating "Holly Newman said she doesn't mind a cemetery there if it was reduced to a more reasonable size."

Is she related to the developer or receive any compensation from the developer?


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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Liz,

I don't even know Sid Corrie. I interviewed him once for an article on the cemetery I wrote several years ago. This cemetery has not been kept a secret.


Roz


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Posted by JL, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Roz, can Sid Corrie change his plan and build sth else like a park for horse ride on the plot? He can still make money without hurting neighbors too much.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 6:38 pm

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JL,

You would have to negotiate that with Sid Corrie. His interest is making money. He could sell cemetery plots for $10K or $20K depending on the size. I don't know the price of burial plots, but it's in that range.

What if you offered to buy garden plots? If everyone in your neighborhood bought a garden plot, Corrie could make the same amount of money, you could have community gardens nearby to grow vegetables and flowers, and Corrie would not have the expense of building a mausoleum or grading hillsides or need the approval of County Supervisors for his construction.

I'm not a planner or a developer but that could be a good compromise for everyone except those who really want a cemetery there.

San Ramon has a community garden at Crow Canyon Gardens on the western end of Crow Canyon Road. There's a waiting list to get plots, so the idea of buying or leasing garden plots could attract a sizeable number of people from all over the Tri-Valley.

I'm good at having ideas. I'm not good at making them work. So I don't know if this would work or not, but it's another idea to consider. And it is better than ranting and raving about it or throwing money at lawyers.

Roz


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Posted by JL, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm

Roz, thanks! Sounds like Sid Corri wanna make too much from that piece of land. We'd better to stand up and stop the cemetery. Let Sid keep the land and we'll continue to fight for next decades.


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Posted by MK, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 pm

Roz, Are you a lobbyist? Sure sound and talk like one? Here's a suggest why not have a big solar panel farm and make more money.


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jun 30, 2014 at 9:21 pm

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MK,

I don't know what lobbyists sound like but I'm sure they make a lot more money than I do. How do I get to be one?

Roz


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Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 1, 2014 at 11:18 am

-And once again, the furor over a cemetery in Dougherty valley! ("Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my" !!!) Superstition ABOUNDS on this issue (sadly so) -Would that it be a sewage treatment plant they had to deal with, heh Roz? (once again, eye roll, head shake and a real chuckle this day!)


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Posted by Vidya, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 2:12 am

We did not pay million dollars for a house to live close to a cemetery, big or small PERIOD. As many people commented the sensibilities of majority occupants of this neighborhood, in this case Asians must be respected. Asians consider living close to cemeteries or funeral homes as unclean and religiously troubling to say the least. Should this cemetery big or small be forced upon us, property values WILL plummet due to "Asian flight". And then San Ramon can enjoy the dead peace and quiet while Sid Corrie enjoys his loot amid now low value neighborhood.


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Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 6:06 am

Roz had the best idea yet, start a fund to purchase the property from the current owners, then donate the land to EBRPD to have it be open space. Thoughts? That is the only way that you can ever keep development away, forever.


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Posted by Ms. Bunny, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 7:40 am

"Asian flight" ???????????????????????????????????????

Wow! I knew they were SPECIAL but I certainly didn't know they could fly!

Learn something new here everyday on this blog!


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Posted by JL, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 10:24 am

It's best for us to stop this graveyard. If we purchase this piece of land, other greedy developers might plan another cemetery nearby. I prefer working with lawyers.


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Posted by stopGraveyard, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 10:46 am

JL, you right. We need to send current and future developers a signal that we're against any graveyard in our neighborhood and will hire lawyers if need to. A few thousands of donation shouldn't be an issue for us.


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Posted by TP Expression, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 1:24 pm

We, the California TeaParlors, write to lend our support to this cemetery project.

First, our membership was polled and really wants it -- in fact, they're dying at an accelerated rate, to get in there.

Second, although it's a relatively high-density development, all the residents will be on the same level -- no ABAG stack-n-pack for us in San Ramon!

Third, there's no low income or public housing included, which is a good thing. No Asians either, apparently -- always a plus. Relatively few children, too -- and no pets.

In summary, it'll be exactly the kind of gated community we favor -- residents are quiet, mostly, and keep to themselves -- and nobody ever visits!

So, what's not to like?


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 2, 2014 at 5:36 pm

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JL,

The other greedy developer who was planning another, albeit smaller, cemetery in the adjoining property to the north, is now planning to sell it to EBRPD to get permission to build a higher density development outside of Danville. So you would not have the specter of a cemetery in anywhere close to your properties. Web Link

Roz


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Posted by SB, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 3, 2014 at 2:04 am

Clearly anyone who doesn't understand "Asian Flight" as a metaphor needs basic elementary education. Oh wait I am sorry, I used another complicated word "metaphor" which will probably trigger another sub-intelligent response. Metaphor means figure of speech or symbolic.... I give up since I am sure these definitions are probably too hard to understand too. God help America's clueless!


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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 3, 2014 at 3:07 am

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SB,

Clearly anyone who doesn't understand sarcasm and puns has no sense of humor, but you already know that because you're such a know-it-all!

Roz


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Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jul 3, 2014 at 7:42 am

Fear mongering over the cemetery won't stop it SB. At best? Size and scope can be mitigated, possibly (no guarantee at this juncture, Sid C. has been working on this for several years or more in the planning...) Then again? You'd have to have reason and commonsense on your side to approach this aspect. Oops. You fail here...

Yeah SB. You're humorless alright. Life must be difficult for you! (-Then again? You fear death with equal dread. How sad.


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Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community,
on Jul 3, 2014 at 3:23 pm

I have consistently found that those who resort to name calling and meaningless rhetoric on blogs and web pages are generally bereft of any logical arguments or positive suggestions. Fortunately, most don't attend public meetings.



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